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My Sansar experience, ( To the devs )

Wolfie

November 03, 2019 22:57

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Hello!

 

So i have been on second life for 6+ years or so and love it very much even though i don't log in much as it has gotten stale for me, i came across a youtube video of Sansar the other day and created an account and logged in!

 

Now i want to get the negatives out of the way before the positives since they are what is important in early development.

• The price for "lindens" is absolutely absurd and is a huge deterrent for a new/tiny player base. I couldn't believe how much you wanted for 2500 'lindens'. We want to enjoy the little that's in the virtual world as it is in its state and the gigantic paywall pretty much removes most of the content from the game unless you just want to grind quests 24/7 which will take the enjoyment out of it.

 

• I saw no marketing on this at all, i understand its early access and you are still working on it but its very apparent that you want people to come on it. We have all heard rumors of a secondlife 2.0 but it came down to me striking a random video on youtube to see Sansar.

 

• There is no option to message friends when you are customizing your avatar, small thing but frustrating none the less. 

 

• Obviously their is a lack of content, i get why but it could be encouraged further to keep people in the VR world. I noticed many new people and very few consistent players. You can tell they are bored because they just stand at the landing point and bother people since they don't have the content/ can't afford the content to get more out of Sansar

 

Now for the positives!

• The graphics are incredible!
• The UI while it needs work is generally a huge improvement over SL
• I can see the direction it's going and i like the look of it
• Virtual reality is a huge thing that impressed me even though i don't own it as of yet, but when Sansar grows i will defiantly buy VR.
• The quest's are cool even though they are repetitive. I just like the idea of making a tiny bit of money so i don't need to cut off my right leg to buy a skirt.

 

So i'm at a crossroads here, i will log in over the next few days but i can't picture myself staying for the reasons i have stated.. I'm really blown away with how it is at the moment but i just don't think you are encouraging people to stay which is a massive shame.

 

If you did drop the prices to at least second life prices ( if not further to get a playerbase) people and content creators will amass and you will get more player time/feedback and more general happiness from the community.

 

I want to be able to sit on a couch and cuddle my friends from SL on there, or play greedy to keep me entertained. But it's not possible at the moment and my friends on SL won't try until i tell them about it since they have never heard of it and when they do, theirs a good possibility they wont stay.

 

Please please please do something about these glaring issues, it does more damage then good just ignoring it while you develop other parts of the world.

 

Thank you!

10 comments

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  Gindipple November 04, 2019 07:50

  The devs, or any other staff at LL has no bearing at all on the price of content.

  The "lindens" (sansar dollars) is merely an arbitrary exchange medium. As such they could price the exchange rate anywhere they want and it would have no impact on actual price of an item in whatever currency your country uses.

  Real world example: if they did what you suggest and lowered the cost of the sansar dollar by say 50% this would mean as a creator I'd now be getting 50% of what I did before. Can you guess what I would do to my price to compensate for that loss of value for my work? That's right, I'd raise my prices double.

  Fact is the only reason for the price they set is to keep the psychological feel of the number where they want it. Paying a million pesos for a house seems crazy doesn't it? But it would be a rather small shack as the equivalent value in US$ would be about $54,000

  Or there's this:  The central bank of Zimbabwe issued $100,000,000,000,000 notes during the last days of hyperinflation in 2009, and they barely paid for a loaf of bread.

  I'd comment on everything else, but too tired :-)

   

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  Lexi Foley November 04, 2019 16:46

  Its a post to Devs not you Gin.

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  Gindipple November 04, 2019 20:04

  There's a way to send a message private and internal, so clearly it's meant for all to see and comment on. Besides devs have nothing to do with currency.

  The irony here is the difference in the reason for each of us posting, my intentions are to improve the world by correcting misinformation, yours are simply spiteful. Which of us is the better person?

   

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  Lexi Foley November 04, 2019 22:18

  If i need to make a choice.. I am.

  I have seen only Narcissism from you.

  Being friendly help is not to be nice but just a way for you to feel superior.

   

  Edited by Lexi Foley November 04, 2019 22:20
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  Wolfie November 04, 2019 22:33

  Can we please not turn this into both of you arguing, i appreciate your message Gindipple even though i stated its to the devz, and thank you Lexi for pointing that out. But its fine to give input, happy for discussions :)

   

  In an interview i watched with the CEO of linden labs, he spoke about SL and Sansar. They dropped the prices of land in second life and it made more people get land and more profit but he was talking about they were going to compensate for it by either changing the linden price or other-ways. They did implement this and second life came out more profitable then usual that year.

   

  So while i understand what you are saying about the creators will just 2x the price if we got more lindens for our dollar that will only be for a few creators i believe not all, so you will get more value.

   

  There are other things they can do on the back end to compensate, like temporarily paying the creator a small percentage so it doesn't offset to the customer. Highly doubtful it will happen but you get the idea.

   

  It would be great to see them higher some scripters/creators to speed up the process and pump more content into the game because while it will cost money now, it will progress the world further  which will lead to more profits sooner.

   

  Of course there are Pros and cons to everything and i'm just throwing out half thought out ideas but i think its not the right mindstate to think that thing's shouldn't be changed and tested.

   

  Thank you for your input :)

   

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  Gindipple November 05, 2019 05:25

  And about the graphics being incredible, yes they are. But the rub on this is of course they are, it's PBR graphics. Most graphics engines do use this more modern approach and they had this since the inception from the engine htey started with. So it's good, but should have allowed for more focus where it mattered after that.

  I wouldn't call the UI an improvement, but yes it needs a lot of work.

  They have been doing targeted marketing, and no the basic SL user isn't their target audience. Typically you need a much better computer making it difficult to bring SL users in.

  The marketing they have done, hasn't done so well, example is Steam. It did more harm than good because the platform wasn't ready for prime time.

  What they needed to do was focus less on social and more on gaming. Though it may be too later for anything now.

   

   

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  Kid November 09, 2019 16:47

  And that's where they went wrong at marketing and limiting this place to only people with high-end gaming machines.

  Expand the compatibility, make it where people can actually look appealing here (like they do in SL), allow adult content, market to the average user while also not letting go of the core idea, VR world building or whatever the plan is (i have completely forgotten what they're trying to do here)

  if they do this, I bet you won't see an experience only having less than 5-10 people in it anymore. If things are still how they are now in the next 2-3 years, I bet you Sansar will shutdown. You'd have to be in serious denial not to believe it. 

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  Andrew Lawrence November 09, 2019 20:40

  They were making a lot of slow but good steady improvement since the beginning of this year, and things were looking good.  It was possible to meet people in the new social hub and do quests there.  Then they redesigned everything around "The Nexus", which makes it impossible to go anywhere you want unless you can load that huge experience and go through that first.  You can't even adjust your avatar without being forced into The Nexus.  The new avatars are also way too lanky and alien, and only one ugly alien outfit fits them properly by default.

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  renehale March 30, 2022 08:53

  Can we please not turn this into both of you arguing, i appreciate your communication Gindipple indeed though i stated its to the devz, and thank you Lexi for pointing that out. But its fine to give input, happy for conversations) 
  . 
   And about the plates being inconceivable, yes they are. But the irk on this is of course they are, it's PBR plates. Utmost plates machines do use this further ultramodern approach and they had this since the commencement from the machine htey started with. So it's good, but should have allowed for further focus where it signified after that. 
  I wouldn't call the UI an enhancement, but yes it needs a lot of work. They've been doing targeted marketing, and no the introductory SL stoner is not their target followership. Generally you need a much better computer making it delicate to bring SL druggies in. 
   
   Of course there are Pros and cons to everything and i am just throwing out half allowed out ideas but i suppose its not the right Midstate to suppose that thing's should not be changed and tested. 

  Edited by renehale March 30, 2022 08:53
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  Gindipple March 30, 2022 19:12

  I agree stop arguing already!

  I mean after nearly 3 years...c'mon